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TV Squad Live Blogging: The West Wing live debate

by Bob Sassone, posted Nov 6th 2005 7:32PM

Click below for our live debate blog!

9:21: You can vote for the debate winner at nbc.com and visit each nominee's campaign site.

9:00: I think Vinick/Alda won. What do you think?

8:58: Now, if NBC wants to take this whole "real debate" thing all the way, they should have Chris Matthews on MSNBC after the show, with experts and pundits talking about the debate and who won/lost! 

8:55: Alda shakes Smits' hand this time.

8:54: Vinick's closing statement: comes across stronger, talks about issues more. Or maybe it's just that Alda is such a good actor.

8:53: Santos' closing statement: Nice, personal, yet generic.

8:51: Vinick won't take the pledge to never go to war for oil.

8:50: Some of these outbursts seem a little too "big" for a debate, but we have to remember that this is still an episode of a weekly TV series and they have to progress the story along, and show bits of each character. It's still a script, and they're doing/saying these things for a reason. 

8:49: Hey, they brought up the Prius and Hollywood! Ha!

8:47: People get to taste the Grand Canyon? Wow. Must be part of their new virtual tour.

8:46: Let's hear it for the Grand Canyon!

8:45: Oh, a little uncomfortable moment there with Alda's screaming...

8:40: There's a T-shirt: Abraham Lincoln: The Liberal Republican 

8:35: Wait, Las Vegas has an episode with the regular cast in the 60s? Is this a dream sequence or did Josh Duhamel find a time machine in one of the casinos?

8:33: Is this a live commercial for American Express?

8:31: I have to admit, they're bringing up some great points that real debates should get into.

8:29: Now Alda has a mic and is walking around...I sense an American Idol-ish duet coming up...

8:25: Santos takes the mic and walks toward the audience...I wonder if Smits earlier stumbling was planned in the script, so he'd look more at ease with a mic up close?

8:23: Heh...Vinick just said "Google It."

8:22: Rather unrealistic yelling from the audience. I half expect someone to yell "hear, hear!" or "harumph!" 

8:20: Oh oh: Vinick doesn't like Head Start. Hey, I was a part of that!

8:18: Nice job on the set and the camera angles.

8:16: I'm waiting for Alda to say "Smits" instead of "Santos" or Smits to say "Alda" instead of "Vinick."

8:14: For your consideration, Forrest Sawyer for Best Guest Appearance in a Drama...

8:10: This is Forrest Sawyer's finest performance ever! I wonder if he knew he'd have to "act" as well as moderate?

8:09: Ellen is still talking...

8:08: Why do they have Ellen "hosting" this? It takes away from some of the realism of the episode, regardless of how funny she is (and she is funny).

8:08: Hey, is there a live band playing the show's theme song in the auditorium?

8:07: Vinick wants a real debate...Sawyer says no...Santos worried about a filibuster...but Santos agrees...a real debate!

8:06: My God, I honestly thought Alda was having a stroke there...

8:05: Live NBC News logo in the lower right corner...nice touch.

8:04: Forrest Sawyer didn't tell anyone the questions? Even the writers?

8:03: Alda didn't walk over to shake hands...was that Alda forgetting or Vinick doing it on purpose?!

8:02: Very clever opening. Forrest Sawyer is in the background talking to the audience, but they're backstage focusing on Vinick and Bruno. And it doesn't have that live "videotape" look, it's more like film. Hopefully the debate will "look" live.

8:00: Ellen DeGeneres is going to debate Alan Alda? Oh, she's the host.

7:59: Damn! The Simpsons Halloween ep is on too! Must...rush...to...VCR...

7:49: I think this is a shortened Dateline and the West Wing will start on time. Of course, I just ate an entire bag of nachos covered in cheese, so my thought process might be a little off.

7:45: Make sure you get your comments ready and add your thoughts in the comments section below! Are you a Santos supporter or a Vinick supporter? 

7:32: OK, so auto racing went past 7pm...will The West Wing still start at 8?

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david Delaney

Alan Alda has been nothing short of absolutely aggravating since Mash.....unquestionably one of the most pedantic actors out there ( and that is saying something). The fact is , however, he won the debate hands down. The live performance clearly revealed him more adept than Smits. The show will suffer with either one of them winning. Tell NBC to remove Santos and have Leo win. Can you imagine listening to a whining Alda for an entire season!

November 17 2005 at 7:23 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Steve Heath

Liberal is not a dirty word even though Nixon, Reagan, Bush and Bush would make you think it is and their mouth pieces Limbaugh and O'Reilly. If it were not for Liberals Washington, Jefferson, Adams there would be no America. The conservatives were Torries loyal to the crown. Liberals ended slavery, started social security, Meidcaid and Medicare. Gave the vote to the disenfrancised (women, blacks, asians, and hispanics). Clean air and water, safer work place child labor broke up monopolies. If left unchecked big business will grind the worker into the dirt in the name of profit. Business never gave anyone a job they pay as little as they can and hire as few people as they can get away with. So don't kid yourself business does not create anymore jobs than they have too. They take as much and give as little as they can and they have no loyality to America just profit.

November 09 2005 at 12:00 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Elaine Shimer

Super job of presenting political views via a T.V. Show. Since our real represenatives and politicians won't even approach some of these subjects, this is a great way to get the word out for America. This was done in good taste with each candidate presenting factual subjects and leaving the viewer to ponder the questions in a bipartesan way. Keep up the good work and hopefully this will make our real candidates think about what really counts.

November 08 2005 at 11:52 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Mac Malik

I thought the show reflected much of what is so great about the West Wing. The politics! The main theme of the show is to not discredit the American population as being dumb and enjoying shows like Jackass and Two and a Half men, Everybody Loves Raymond, but the West Wing is a show that stimulates the American intellecutal side. The side in all of us that yearns to express opinions, ideas and try to make America a better place. The debate was a great idea and well executed. If this does not convince the damn NBC execs to continue the show and put more money in this show, I don't know what will. This show should be praised for not only holding drama for television but being intellecutally stimulating and thought provoking. The ideas on Africa is something I don't here other politicans talk about. Medicare a hot topic issue we heard actually ideas and reasons why people avoid it. War on Iraq. Questions were answered, debated. This show deserves to be Nbc headline, not ER which is overtly dramatic. Shit, how much can happen at a hospital! Mac P.S. Santos Liberal comments. Loving it!

November 07 2005 at 1:04 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Terry

No matter who you thought won or lost, the writers and producers of TWW can now say "Gotcha" twice. First, they got intelligent, fair-minded Americans to actually watch a television show about politics and the workings of the Presidency. Last night, they got us all again. We watched and we listened...to a political debate about relevant issues. We cared about facts. We watched every nuanace of who was the best communicator. We truly tried to pick the most qualified candidate to be President. Were we so enraptured with Bush-Kerry? Bush-Gore? My opinions...most already expressed...Vinick won the debate by stealing extra air time and offering (mostly) compelling arguments. Alda is who he is as an actor whether he's Hawkeye Pierce, Joe Tynan or Vinick, he's just damn good. Smits is also very good. I don't think his occasional hesitance or lack of poise was poor acting. Santos' style isn't boisterous, just extremely confident and sincere. The writers and performers definitely achieved the suspension of disbelief (until the bills had to be paid). Thank you American Express for paying a little extra for the whole show. Only one thing really bugged me about the show..and that was the NBC News "bug". A little too "War of the Worlds-ish"...even doing a CNBC or MSNBC bug would have been a little less disconcerting.

November 07 2005 at 12:46 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Jimmy

By the way, Head Start does work, and the Santos character's responses were absolutely correct. Most of the "scientific" studies saying otherwise are biased by political ideology.

November 07 2005 at 9:50 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Jimmy

If you are a political junkie, and I am, then this was one hell of a show. Granted, there were moments when I thought the "outbursts" were overly scripted, but overall it was a good effort. Kudos to NBC for giving a "live debate" feel to the show (and yes, Forrest Sawyer deserves and Emmy for a fine performance). I know the show was written by a former Democratic strategist, but I though Alda's Vinick got the majority of the better lines. His responses sounded so much more thought out than Santos' overly emotional responses. Maybe that was in keeping with the established characters. If this was a real debate, I think the Repoublican candidate would see a major bump in the polls. On a another note, what's up with the opening credits? Why is it that some people who don't even appear in the show are listed and others are not. Kristen Chenoweth, John Spencer, and Bradley Whitford were nowhere to be seen, but all were in the opening credits; however, Richard Schiff and Janel Maloney didn't appear. It's wierd.

November 07 2005 at 9:48 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Paul Sherman

I found it necessary to restrain myself from scraping my eyes with a cheese grater and hammering an awl into my brain through my ear. It was painfully obvious that there were two actors, not only acting, but stage acting, as opposed to television or movie acting. In other words, they were aware of "the fourth wall" (an acting term)and their "picking up cues" was maddening. Jimmy Smits was intimidated by the "one take" format and poor Forrest Sawyer had to act on his shouted "Senator!" during a heated exchange. Alda is a great actor and won the "acting debate" and despite that I am a moderate/liberal and have voted for the Democrat in 9 presidential elections elections, and never voted for a Republican, Vinick won the debate "debate". While I did not agree with a lot of the Vinick positions, it would be truly scary to see a Republican with a sensible appoach to issues. (That's how we know it's fiction.) What a disappointment. O'Donell took an intriguing concept of a real debate and it was botched. Way too many stereotypical answers, Vinick stealing Clinton's 2004 convention quote about Democrats and Republicans with patriotic but differing visions of America... the list goes on. Now only if Sorkin... ah, what's the point.

November 07 2005 at 1:40 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Peter

I don't know about the east coast feed but Alda was the better "live" actor for the west coast. AND I thought Vinick won the debate - although it was definitely close. More importantly, how about this idea: If the producers really haven't decided who will win the "election" how about letting viewers vote? Wouldn't it be sweet to be able to vote for a fictional president? Somebody should call John Wells . . .

November 07 2005 at 1:00 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Peter

I don't know about the east coast feed but Alda was the better "live" actor for the west coast. AND I thought Vinick won the debate - although it was definitely close. More importantly, how about this idea: If the producers really haven't decided who will win the "election" how about letting viewers vote? Wouldn't it be sweet to be able to vote for a fictional president? Somebody should call John Wells . . .

November 07 2005 at 1:00 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply

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