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Heroes fans, prepare to hate me

by Keith McDuffee, posted Sep 26th 2006 3:22PM
heroesThere are a couple of reasons why fans of NBC's new series Heroes will want to hate me.

Firstly, I've seen the second and third episodes already. I'm not trying to rub that in your face or anything. I just think it's important to mention before I tell you why else you'll likely hate me: I'm not as floored by the series as the rest of you seem to be.

It's not that I hate Heroes or even dislike it. In fact, I desperately want to love this show. I'm just not sold on the idea yet. The premise seems a little lost, as if the initial idea for a bunch of Unbreakable-like people seemed very cool, but what to do beyond that is sort-of up in the air. It almost feels like there could be (or should be) more comedic elements thrown into the show other than what we see of Hiro. Later there are some small scenes that I guess could be called humor, but they're lost in the feeling of seriousness in the story. It's just difficult for me to imagine people with these strange powers and the extreme sense of urgency and drama surrounding the characters. I think I watched too much Superfriends as a kid.

Something that I'll nitpick on: I hated how cheesy that final flying scene looked. When I saw the screener for the pilot it looked the same, where you could practically see wires holding the guys in flight. I really hoped that would look better in the final cut, but it still looked shoddy to me. I hope for the sake of everyone that they improve on those effects in later episodes.

There are more small surprises coming up in the next couple of episodes that fans of the show will love, but sadly for me, they weren't enough for me to say this a a favorite of mine ... yet. My mind may change as the season progresses, and I sincerely hope so. I'm glad I decided to pass on reviewing this series for TV Squad, since its following deserves a fellow fan of the show and not a grumpy nitpicker like myself.

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scififan9009

Best. Show. EVER!

http://www.superhiro.org

October 20 2006 at 12:45 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
chris w

Great premise. Piss-poor execution. It was BORING.

September 27 2006 at 6:30 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
DelRay

I made it through about halfway too. Reminds me of a shoddy 4400 show. (And I know a Hiro too)

September 27 2006 at 1:00 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Montgomery Lopez

Okay, there is a few rants about Heroes but you are talking about someone who is so critical that I have to see 6 and 1/2 seasons of ST:DS9, in the proper order, on DVD, just to see 1 episode I missed in Season 7. There are other points I could bring up to support my quirkiness but that's for another time Highlander.

Hiro was in a karaoke club where he was talking to his co-worker about time. He said that time was not linear and his co-worker was asking how he knew this. Hiro referred to Kitty Pryde, X-Men 143 for the answer. While I loved the reference, it is incorrect. This issue of the Uncanny X-Men had Kitty alone in the Mansion over the holidays and was chased by an alien. While I own this issue, I don't remember there being any reference to time or time being linear. I love the geekness of Hiro - I will forgive. The Gods know how much I can get my facts wrong.

The other rant was the show was only 1 hour long and ended on a cliffhanger with Peter taking his leap of faith to fly. While his brother Nathan surprisingly flew up to save Peter, his younger brother lost his grip. To be continued...

To make matters worse, as I watched the previews for next week's show I saw Peter in the hospital being okay - damn it! I know he is part of the cast but sometimes I need to know that lives are in jeopardy and that there is a possibility of not surviving. If you are a fan of Firefly and watched Serenity, you know exactly what I mean. Alternatively, having a main character like Buffy die and then come back to life give the audience at least something to chew on. In any case, I know I'm being overly critical but it's important to me as a fan and as a writer to use cheap tricks whereas someone else would say, "Get a life."

However, this show has a great deal of potential and waiting for a show to blosom will be worth the trip.

Read more on my blog.

YATAI!!!

September 27 2006 at 11:21 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Gudlyf

Brian -- Yeah, it was a knee-jerk reaction to your comment. I guess you now know what kind of thing gets to me: when it's even hinted that I'm considered elitist. :)

Look, I'm probably going to be all wrong about this and it'll be a huge hit. I wish I could join everyone on that trip.

September 27 2006 at 10:05 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Brian

Keith, regarding your comment, "I'm not sure where you get the idea that I have an elitist attitude toward TV.", it's clear you took my reaction personally. And even though this is not the case in my original post, I'd like to give a word of unsolicited advice here: when you include in the title of an article, "... prepare to hate me.", don't be surprised when someone appears to follow though.

Now, if you re-read what I said, you'd see it was, "... and if I wasn't a long time reader here... I'd ALMOST consider the OVERALL TVS OPINION towards Heroes as elitist." I speculate the reason for this possible belief is the absence of Heroes from everyone's "top 5" lists. Hopefully that answers your question of where I got that "idea".

Now, please notice the words "almost", "overall", "TVS" and "opinion" in my post. I fail to see how that translates into what you read the first time, which seems to be, based on your reaction, "... Keith is elitist in his TV viewing."

The fact of the matter is that you gave your opinion on the show. As a fellow viewer, I respect your opinion. But I am within my rights to react to your opinion based on what I'm hearing from the majority of people I know that saw the pilot. Because I haven't actually seen it myself, I'm still trying to remain objective and have no opinion of my own.

Anyway. I apologize if you took my comments personally. They were not intended as a personal insult.

BTW, I'm a big fan of Veronica Mars also.

September 27 2006 at 10:00 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Victor

I liked it well enough... but it's not (yet) this season's new "Lost". It wants to be, but it's not there yet. I'll give it about five or six episodes before I decide if the show's problems were just a result of this being the pilot episode.

My main gripe with the show was that it took too long to get going, and I wasn't interested in all the exposition shovelled onto the screen. I don't care about the brother's mother. I don't care about the cheerleader's family. There was too much crap TELLING us why we needed to care about these characters.

While comparing "Heroes" to "Lost" is about as tired as can be right now, I do have to make one prime contrast between the two (and between "Lost" and vitually every other Lost-wannabe that's come out in the past two years)-- "Lost" started with a massive BANG. twenty seconds after the show started, we were in the midst of a chaotic plane crash scene. No explanation of who anyone was, no explanation of what happened or how it happened or where they were (besides it being an island). We met these characters for the first time in the midst of one of the most incredible crises they likely had ever experienced. We learned their character through their reactions to this event.

Once that settled down, THEN we started to get some personality and character development, which was (and still is, two seasons later) colored and guided by what they did those first few moments of the show.

For many of the characters, we didn't get any sort of history or origin or signficant background until many episodes into the show, sometimes months into the show.

And it was OKAY. We didn't need that kind of hand-holding when meeting these new characters. "Heroes" didn't trust us enough to jump more firmly right into the show.

What I would have done had I produced the show, is that I would have started the show farther down the timeline, perhaps on the cusp of some massive battle with whoever the primary villain of this season turns out to be. Have all our Heroes gathering, hurriedly discussing their plan of attack and the dangers involved. I might even show one or two of them already fallen, with no clear indication if they are injured or dead. I'd have a few characters we haven't even met yet. Then right as they are about to leap into the battle, I'd go to black and then fade up this text on the screen:

"Nine Months Earlier"

And then I'd do the show pretty much like they already have it.

To me, this way, you IMMEDIATELY set the stakes the show is shooting for, and gives a sense of where this journey is going to take us, the viewers.

Yes, the kinda sorta set that up with the text prologue at the beginning declaring this 'volume one', and the armageddon painting, but it was a bit anti-climactic and didn't set in the SCOPE and stakes of the show.

"Lost" had the great crash opening, and then at the end of the episode, a great line by Charlie that set the tone for all the remaining episodes through the current ones.. "Where ARE we..?"

Heroes needs to more firmly establish the stakes involved, which would ramp up the "epic" quality the show is going for.

Right now, it's just a bunch of whiny people who have figured out they can do piddly things with some powers.

All that said, I'm very much looking forward to the next episodes.

And all that said, I really liked both Mohinder and Hiro. The pilot should have focused on those two only and then slowly added in all the others.




September 27 2006 at 4:44 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Dave

Actually stigmata I think that the average viewer will only tune in just to see the "cool" powers. The show has pretty much been marketed as these people that suddenly get powers and have to save the world. However, the viewer that watches the show with a critical eye will find that the powers are gimmicky and if you get rid of them, you end up with underdeveloped and weak characters. I had trouble keeping up with all the characters and caring who they were. With more people discovering their powers this week theres going to be way too many characters.

September 27 2006 at 1:54 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Stephen Waits

Just goes to show you critics are up their ass.

September 27 2006 at 1:17 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Phish

The premise is great, some aspects are really good such as the whole cover-up conspiracy about the genetecists work, i think that has great potential, cause its very Lost like. It appeals to the more intelligent, curious viewer, cause we all want to believe that there are more to us than what we see. I mean, if we only use about 20% of our brain, whats the other 80% for???

However, the superhero aspect of the show FAILS miserably, the characters are un-interesting, badly acted, badly written, ESPECIALLY the flying politician, JEEEEEEEEEZ that was LAME.
These superheroes are 1 dimensional, unlike spiderman, superman, and the batman on batman begins.

If the show is to succeed, fire most of the actors, and re-write, re-write, re-write, cause the average TV viewer is a lot smarter and demands better!

September 27 2006 at 1:07 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply

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