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by Meredith O'Brien, posted Apr 3rd 2007 12:10AM

Wayne Palmer on 24*Warning, spoilers for the latest 24 episode ahead*

(S06E16) Okay. This episode was a bit better than hour 15. Not substantially better, but somewhat better. Although I must say, about halfway through this episode, I was complaining bitterly that Jack Bauer seemed like, as some critics have complained, a guest star on his own show. He barely appeared in the first 30 minutes to do anything more than chat on his cell phone.

The episode's conclusion -- not including the bit with the renegade former Russian general Gredenko, who had given the suitcase nukes to the "bad" terrorist Abu Fayed -- did wake me from my bored stupor. Sick of seeing new story lines or potential conflicts abruptly introduced and then, just as abruptly resolved in a simplistic fashion, this unexpected turn at the end of the show was at least entertaining.

Let me make sure I've got this right: Wayne Palmer was roused from his medically-induced coma after an assassination attempt. He hobbled out of the presidential bunker's sick bay in a suit, with a nice injection of adrenaline to give him some kick. He argued with his power-mad vice president who wanted Palmer declared incompetent, beat back a potential Supreme Court challenge (thanks to the quick thinking of his chief of staff), and then went back into the situation room and ordered a nuclear strike on the Country Whose Name We Shall Not Mention? Wait a second, he ordered the nuclear strike to go forward, the one he called off an hour ago that had the vice president salivating with excitement? I must agree with Tom Lennox who said, "This makes no sense sir." Palmer, who was noticeably wincing with his eyelids at half-mast, said he didn't want to seem weak any more, so he decided to attack a nation that was not behind the terror attacks that had been plaguing the United States for weeks before this current day, nor was it behind the nuclear detonation in Valencia?

Maybe it was the two shots of adrenaline Palmer forced his doctor to give him. (He got a second booster of the stuff before going to the situation room.) As much as it pains me to suggest, maybe Vice President Noah Daniels was right, not about launching the attack, but about the fact that Palmer II's mental faculties might not be altogether there, given that, well, I hate to be the fly in the ointment but . . . he was just in a COMA an hour ago! Previews for next week (*flee this post quickly if you don't want to read about previews*) show Palmer collapsing. After all this, are they just going to kill him off any way?

And while I had a *yawn* deja vu feeling while watching yet another cabinet vote on the competency of yet another Palmer president, I found the twist with Vice President Daniels' aide, Lisa Miller, to be mildly intriguing. The mom from Invasion (who sometimes acts like she's still got an alien trapped inside her) was willing to lie to the Supreme Court in order to help Daniels force Palmer out of office. When the cabinet vote on whether to send Palmer back to the medical bay turned out to be a draw, Daniels challenged National Security Advisor Karen Hayes' vote, saying she was never officially re-instated after she resigned a few hours ago. That would've nullified her vote and Daniels would've won. Miller later told Daniels that she thought his case was weak and offered to lie by saying that Daniels had asked her to tell Hayes her re-instatement had not been approved, but Palmer woke up before she had the chance to pass along that message.

This story could have been expanded upon, yet the writers, as they've been doing throughout the season, jettisoned the tale, tidily tying up the loose ends with a bow within an hour. The bow tier, in this case, was Lennox, who likely violated many federal laws when he bugged a presidential room in the bunker and then confronted Daniels with a recording of his perjury discussion with Miller. After the discussion, Daniels withdrew his challenge of Hayes' vote.

Meanwhile, 24 special guest star Jack Bauer spent most of the episode with Gredenko. Gredenko's story ended with a whimper in the waters under the Santa Monica pier after he not only escaped from Jack (Gredenko cut off the arm which had been injected with a CTU tracker and could have spawned a Fugitive-like hunt for a one-armed man), but set up Fayed in a bar by telling the patrons that Fayed was the terrorist they were looking for on TV. Putting aside the question of why people would be hanging around a bar after a nuclear bomb went off in the Los Angeles metropolitan area . . . Fayed was quickly surrounded by angry mob. As Gredenko slipped away unnoticed, Fayed shot random people only to be knocked down and set upon by the crowd. My one cheer from this episode (the first one since the Logans) was the scene when Fayed told someone in the crowd that he hoped the friend he shot would die, prompting Jack to fiercely yell, "Shut up!" as he kicked Fayed in the face.

I can only hope *crossing fingers* that next week's show is as good as the previews make it seem. I could really use a good 24 episode, because right now, aside from a few moments here and there, these episodes are starting to lose my interest. I'm hoping for more Jack, more Jack-tion, fewer simplistic resolutions and fewer meaningless plot turns. Come on 24 writers. I know you can do it. Channel the magic of season five in the writers' room. Watch some of those episodes on DVD as they were 24 at its best.

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Delmarc

Mickey, I share your same thoughts and opinions that a big twist is gonna come up (well it really needs to) for this boring season to be revived. Your last post served as a good reminder on my elaborations that Heller being a bad guy would be the wrong move. But I certainly suggest something needs to be done to jolt the remainder of this season. But I think the current problems outlining this season is not as much as the storylines as it is with some background issues. Lol, I know, I know, Im too analytical. But I really need to share this. For some reason, the quality of the episodes this season has been dramatically altered. There is something different about the director's job this season and the show is suffering because of it. I think the camera filter is changed too. I also see it in the background music, something is different about the composition of the music and it doesnt deliver the suspenseful mood of the episodes like it used to in previous seasons. Also the scenes are suffering (again because of the director) with too much staleness, added with lame background music, and it almost seems like nothing is happening and there is no terrorist threat. They spend at least 30 seconds on a character either picking up a phone or walking towards another character, and it makes the episode lose any intensity and makes it real slow. This sets up the mood of the whole episode and it never goes away. One whole perfect aspect to my complaints on these background issues is in the last scene of episode 4. Don't get me wrong, I loved episode 4 and especially the last scene with the nuclear detonation. They did it right with the scene with Jack looking up and seeing the blast. They did it right with everyone in Palmer's administration staring in awe and disbelief on what just happened. But at CTU, when Buchanan, Morris, Chloe, and Nadia were inside the conference room shocked and in awe of what just happened, you can see the background of people just walking casually like it was a normal office day in the reular CTU setting. They would have gotten more emotion if they zoomed out from the regular CTU setting where all the extras are standing in awe of what just happened, and then zooming in to the CTU conference room. I know, I know, maybe all the other CTU employees didnt know that a nuke just went off. But, it still ruined the amount of intensity of the detonation when I can see people walking around like nothing just happened in the background of people who are obviously in shock. And Plus, Milo came into the Conference room from the outside knowing that a nuclear bomb just went off and delivering an encrypted islamic message to Nadia, so why wouldn't the other employees know too? Its something to think about. Watch one of the slow episodes this season and compare it to an episode last season, you can see the method of directing, music composition, dramatic acting, and jus overall feel completely different. And they can fix it, just make sure Jon Cassar directs the remainder of the episodes, he's a great director and they dont need the other directors that are the root of this seaons problems. And also the storyline are lame too, but Im betting you, if Cassar directed it, it wouldnt have felt as slow or lame as it did. And as far as my opinions on the remainder of the season, I fervently believe that the nuke/fayed/gredenko plot line will be resolved within the next episode or the episode after that. With Gredenko possibly dead in the ocean, and Fayed captured, theres no other way but to resolve this obviously drawn out plot already. With about 7 episodes still left, I believe that Audrey and the Chinese angle will be introduced as the last plot line of the season. It is because they mentioned Audery's death in China around episode 14 that I believe that their going to introduce it as another angle this season. We'll soon find out, I guess.

April 07 2007 at 8:28 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Allan

Well, Delmarc, thanks for that. Boy, I'm in the pee-wee league and you're in the pros. You blew my speculation out of the water, and at the same time also convinced me that I have to watch Season Five again, just because it was so damn good.

Anyway, if CC is right in suggesting the writers might be planning a "Heller as bad-guy twist", and I still thing they could be, you've pointed to a lot of reasons why it could be a huge mistake for them to do so.

Among other things, they would have to massively rework major aspects of established 24 lore. And let's just imagine for a second that they could manage a top-rate way of doing so. In order to even have half a chance of making that work convincingly with audiences, they would almost inevitably have to resort to lengthy, reworked flashbacks from past seasons, accompained by even lengthier explanations, which would just shred the show's traditional lightning quick, "in-the-moment" pacing (which has already taken some hits this year).

And as you say, destroying our faith in one of the few remaining original "good guys", someone we came to care about and respect, could really hurt the show. I mean who's next: Chloe, Buchanan?

So CC, you may be right in noticing signs that the writers are considering something like this, but, boy, I hope they reconsider. It's just too big (and probably too illogical) a challenge to pull off well.

One funny thing though. I've been pretty bored with the way the season has been going, but now I'll be tuning in regardless, just to watch for possible signs of a "Heller surprise".

April 07 2007 at 6:27 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Delmarc

Well Mickey, you do raise some interesting points on a possible evil Heller. But let me just critic you on some of your points. I dont think they would ever do a "Heller is the secret puppetmaster of the Nerve Gas Plot unbeknownst to Logan" because they did that already, rather well and perfectly fit with the plot, with Walt Cummings. And then doing it again with Heller would just insanely ruin the perfectly constructed heirachy of the season 5 patriots. Its gonna be more like " If Cummings isnt the boss, who is? Well if Logan really isnt the boss, who is?" if Heller, becoming the puppetmaster, happens. If they do that, then fans would get VERY discouraged on the lack of CLOSURE on this show, because by then we can keep asking (in an aggravated and annoyed way), " If Heller isnt the puppetmaster, who is? If Wayne Palmer wasnt the real boss, then who was?". You see what I mean? As for your other plot theory on two separate conspiracies, I simply don't get it and I just need more elaboration from you with more details. And as for you saying Heller was trying to ditch Logan because of his cover being blown, it just doesn't make sense for him to ditch him. Ditching Logan would not do anything because Jack and Audrey still had the recording, and it would have implicated the government anyways. And if it did, Heller surely would not care if Logan was still President or not when light is shown on the evidence. EVEN IN THAT CASE, HELLER TOOK THE EVIDENCE FROM BAUER, AND HE COULD HAVE DESTROYED IT THUS PREVENTING ANY GOVERNMENT COVER FROM BEING BLOWN. Except, he took it to Logan, and he conveyed his "true patriotism" by telling him how disappointed he was with the treasonous acts he committed and asked Logan to step down. Look, the reason why Im putting down this "Heller is evil non-sense" is purely because the 24 writers are smarter than that (Im Hoping). The whole reason why Logan was chosen as the big baddie last season was to serve as a twist that a RECURRING character with a high position in the government can serve as the primary terrorist. So doing it with Heller would be repeating yourself in a scary way. And I know the 24 writers have copied alot of previous seasons for this season ( 25th amendment, etc...), but this would just be over the top. And it would be a bad move on the 24 writers too. The reason why this season has hit it's low points is because there are not as many good people, recurring in the series, that we can connect to. No more David Palmer, Tony Almeida, Michelle Dessler, Edgar Stiles, and Curtis Manning. Introducing Nadia Yassir, Morris (Though he was on the series finale of season 5), Milo (also in season 1), and Doyle, didnt do much for the plot points because not as much that it wasnt interesting (Morris's stupid and boring alcoholism), it's because we DONT KNOW THEM. They certainly dont have that connection with the fans as much as the other characters do simply because they werent there in previous seasons. Maybe in seasons 8 and 9, we'll prob. start to care for them, but not this season. And making Heller a misguided terrorist/patriot, would do nothing but ruin another relationship between a character and it's fans. Other than Jack, we only have Heller, Buchanan, and Chloe to really connect with, and they all werent even introduced in season 2 yet. And the 24 writers know this. So the right thing to do is build on Heller's good image, and make him one of the character's we can like, a post-modern image of David Palmer.

April 07 2007 at 4:59 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Allan

CC, you've got my head spinning. I always viewed Heller as a total hero, and I'd hate to find out otherwise, but, somehow... maybe you are onto something. The writers might be total goofballs for trying that kind of massive twist, but then again, dumber things have happened ("Dallas" anyone?)

Delmarc has raised some really excellent points, and to me, the most important one is Heller's willingness to commit suicide, along with Audrey, rather than submit to his kidnappers. At least, I think that's what Delmarc explained. I just don't know how the writers can convincingly spin that crucial scene in another direction.

Delmarc, I am wondering if it is possible that, in keeping with CC's theory: Logan didn't know that Heller was his puppetmaster; or that maybe Logan and Heller were part of separate conspiracies? Could Heller have decided to ditch Logan once he knew that Logan's cover had been blown by Jack? Now Del, stay calm, I am still sceptical, and I just don't remember enough from that great season to even start to answer my own questions. And the fact is, I am very doubtful that the writers would be able to come up with a convincing "Heller as villain" story.

Nonetheless, it always truck me as strange that we never saw him again; his departure from the series was so abrupt, and we never did get to really see what happened during and immediately after his near-fatal car crash.

Anyway, we'll know soon enough. All I can say is, if Heller suddenly pops up in the next two or three weeks, hold onto your hats and pass the blood pressure medication. I'll sure need it.

April 07 2007 at 3:25 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Delmarc

C.C, former Secretary of Defense James Heller was present in Season 5 (when he was still the current Defense Secretary) when Jack and Audrey Raines handed him the "Palmer-Assasination" recording implicating Charles Logan in the Sentox Nerve Gas Conspiracy. In that episode, episode 18 of season 5, he explicitly stated that what Charles Logan did regarding the nerve gas plot and his knowledge of the murder of Palmer by Henderson's men was wrong, unjustified, and treasonous. Although he shrugged off Bauer's attempt for Heller to give the recording to the Attorney General, he felt it was best if Logan stepped down quietly without the nation knowing of his role in the events of day 5 for the benefit and sake of the integrity in the U.S Presidency and the United States of America as a whole. HE THEN DROVE TO THE LOGAN RESIDENCE IN CALIFORNIA TO CONFRONT LOGAN HIMSELF. It was one of the more dramatic dialogue scenes of season 5 when President Logan and Secretary Heller argued about Logan's patriotism. Logan stated Oil was reaching 100 dollars a barrel and exactly stated " What am I gonna do when the people who voted me into Office and into this chair can't even afford to heat their homes?". In which Heller stated right back, " And You think that justifies the blood in your hands? Your chair is not a throne Charles". He then ordered that Logan step down and resign for his traitorous acts and explain it to his Vice President Hal Gardner or else he will release that audio recording implicating Logan's role. However, Logan recieved word that Henderson has secured the recording from Bauer and Audrey, which Logan then used to refuse his resignation. HELLER GOT FURIOUS AND EXPLAINED LOGAN'S TREASONOUS ACTS FROM THE NERVE GAS PLOT TO THE PALMER ASSASINATION TO VICE PRESIDENT GARDNER HIMSELF. However, Logan ordered the secret service to escort Heller out of his residence and this made Heller an open target for assasination from Henderon's men to keep him from talking. THEN HELLER SACRIFICED HIS LIFE, AFTER SAYING SORRY TO JACK, AND DROVE HIS CAR OFF A CLIFF BEFORE GETTING SHOT DOWN BY A HELICOPTER TO PREVENT LOGAN'S MEN FROM TAKING HIM DOWN. We then learned that Heller was not killed, but only injured. Every indication of 24 has shown that James Heller was a good guy. EVEN IN SEASON 4, HE SAID YES TO AUDREY'S PLAN OF KNOCKING DOWN A GAS PIPE SO THAT HE AND HIS DAUGHTER CAN DIE THROUGH A GAS-RELATED POISON RATHER THAN BEING PUBLICLY EXECUTED IN FRONT OF AMERICA WHEN THEY WERE BEING HELD CAPTIVE IN THE EARLIER PART OF SEASON 4. C.C, how can you explain that? Heller than made sure to use all resources in tracking down the terorists behind his kidnapping, which directly led CTU to the discovery of the Dobson Overide, Mclennon-Forrester's role in the plot, Air Force Pilot Anderson's role all the way to the nuke launch. How can you explain the events that happened already in season 4 and season 5 that contradict your theories? Im sorry C.C, but it just really comes down to you knowing the events, the specific scenes, the outlying plot lines and the characters behind it, and a "good memory" to cross check the facts of 24 and the stuff that didn't happen, in order to make a realistic prediction fo things to come.

April 06 2007 at 7:09 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
C C

I didn't want to reveal what I thought the prey of the "trap" Jack and company had set up was, trying to not spoil anyone.

But I'm going to go ahead and say it. And if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. To be truthful, I thought the writers would drag the plot out longer than they did. I actually thought he would become president before he was "caught". But apparently not.

I believe the person being "set up" in this "scam" is:

James Heller.

Go back and watch the fourth season over again. Heller was clearly orchestrating the events of that day. I'm not the only one who was catching on to what Heller was doing. Go check the recaps on Television Without Pity-the writer thought Heller was up to no good as well.

Heller was using Jack as a pawn in his scheme to replace President Keeler with Charles Logan. Why he wanted Logan in the oval office, I don't know. But he went to extraordinary lengths to make it happen. He staged his own kidnapping as misdirection. He was pulling the strings behind Marwan. He was manipulating unwitting terrorists for his own cause. He set up his gay son with Mandy and her "friend". He set up Paul Raines with the incriminating pictures in the building Paul owned. He "insisted" that Keeler stay on Air Force One to give a speech to the nation-giving enough time for it to be attacked. And most importantly, his schemes set up Jack's raid on the Chinese Consolate, which got Jack in a world of trouble.

What's going on this season? Jack's getting his revenge on Heller-with his own schemes, with his own misdirection, his own moles. The tables are being turned.

You don't have to believe me. It's your right to doubt me. And I could be wrong. But don't treat me like I'm an idiot. Or say my theories don't hold any water. I'm not sure of everything. But this is my theory, you can take it or leave it.


April 06 2007 at 3:02 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Allan

Yeah Franky, big mistake to get all brainy in these postings, 'cause that just gives put-down artists like you another reason to launch attacks. Don't offer up too many ideas, folks, 'cause then the jerks will just slap 'em down.

My complaint right now Franky isn't with the show, it's with you. I wouldn't have said a thing about your posting with its lame observations (ie: Audrey's return "must auger major plot disclosures", well, Duh), if YOU hadn't decided to dump on someone else first.

And drop the reverse-snob schtick (after all you're the one using snooty words like "auger"). That's part of what ticks me off. Cheap shot artists like you love targeting people who stick their necks out by offering up some real ideas, and part of your routine is to diss people for "sounding intelligent", as if that's some kind of a crime.

You say "enjoy the show as is", implying that it's just TV. But Franky, 24 was one of the best shows to hit the airwaves in years: focused, innovative, exciting and (I know you hate this word) intelligent. Now, maybe you never realized that. Maybe for you it wasn't much different from, say, The Dukes of Hazard. But a lot of people posting here did notice the difference, and that's why many of us have felt disappointed by the drop off in quality this year.

For you, people who might want to talk about stuff like that are obviously just putting on airs, acting like they "are writing about the complete works of Shakespeare", and thus perfect targets for your ridicule. Well, Franky, you're the one who's selling the show short. And you're the one trying to come off as all smart -- by knocking others.

I post here, not to impress anyone, but rather, because I enjoy the discussions, and the contributions made by intersting people (with one obvious exception).

You post like a school yard bully, putting down people you don't even know. Insights by a poster into the fun games writers can play behind the scenes just becomes fodder for your dim-witted efforts at mockery. And judging from your little poison pen message to me, I guess we should all avoid references to famous writers (Mamet, Shakespeare, probably Dean Koontz), because that's all just tooooo snobby for Mr. Franky.

You've made me do the very thing I dislike in others: attacking another poster. And it's probably not going to change your jerkish behaviour one bit. Such is life.

I've wasted enough time on you.

April 06 2007 at 3:07 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
George

You can put the drill down, Comrad, I'm not Morris - I don't drill too easily.
This show is not the Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire, so get a life, ease up and enjoy the show as is. Or, do you think you sound intelligent discussing 24, as if you are writing about the complete works of Shakespeare? So, Comrad, maybe you should be watching Sponge Bob. Think of all the "intelligence" you could show then!

April 05 2007 at 11:24 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Allan

Frankly, Frankly (44), forget about Nadia, I'd like to tie YOU up, and break your typing fingers.

Your riff on soap operas was clever, and might have been fun to read, if I hadn't got the sense that it was also intended as a cheap, snarky put-down of another poster.

Our guy CC has stirred up a lot of discussion, and a lot of that HAS been fun. I think he has correctly alerted us for weeks now to the strong possibility that the writers are going to try some major plot twist, a "Usual Suspects" kinda thing by season's end. He's also provided some truly interesting postings, like his quotes from David Mament and, yes, his well-documented take on the 24 writers' inside joke involving the Bauer family and a soap opera. CC's bravely tossed out ideas, aiming to stir up up thought and discussion, much like writers might do in a brain-storming session. He knows some ideas might get shot down, but I think he views this whole posting schtick as a collaborative thing: a "hear's what I think, what do you think?" approach.

Delmarc responded with some frustration to some of CC's ideas, but also with well considered explanations as to why. I prefer that kind of thoughtful debate to smart-ass put-downs.

Speaking of which, here's one. I have to thank you for your incredibily insightful opening paragraph; a real revelation for the rest of us, I'm sure. We're going to be treated, you say, to "some resolutions" and "plot twists" in the coming weeks. Holy Cow! "Resolutions" as the season draws to a close? How in the world did you ever figure that out?

And your prediction as to how Jack will react if Audry shows up alive -- "he will want to know more" -- WOW, Frankly, that's frickin' brilliant!

As to your other ideas, well, maybe CC's polite enough to care, but Frankly, Frankly, I don't give a damn.

April 05 2007 at 10:13 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
George

You will all be treated to some resolutions, wrapping up some plot twists in the coming weeks.

The writers have been leading up to this all season (day). One reason you have not seen any interesting new characters is that - guess what - CTU will be hiring the entire "Patriots" team (except maybe the punter). Since they are all "Young and the Restless," they'll make great field agents to replace Jack, who is..well..just tired of these wild, topsy-turvy, dangerous "Days Of Our Lives." (Just how many of these days can one take before one gets shell shocked?)After all, Jack only has "One Life To Live," and I'm sure the writers want Jack to settle down with the "Bold and Beautiful" Audry, not running around, wondering where "All My Children" are. So, "As the World Turns," Jacks' "Guiding Light" will be his "Passions" for the quiet life, otherwise, he would wind up in "General Hospital."

Well, I ran out of the stuff CC smokes so I have a few things to ponder. Audry will be back on Monday's hour, and her appearance must auger major plot disclosures; how could she just appear without expanding on her alleged death? Everyone saw Jack's reaction to the news of her death, and I'm certain he will want to know what went down and, most important, why!
There is still a mole at CTU, and Ricky is setting up a sting with all his actions. Hide Milo's incompetance to be nice to him? Heck NO. Nadia is still not in the clear as far as I'm concerned. Let's torture her some more. I'll tie her up.

April 05 2007 at 8:14 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply

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