oh yeah great ep

some hints of the future, Ben sold Juliette down the river he knows of her betrayal or at least wants her back in his group. If there is a chance she is getting to close to the survivors then he has ruined it.

My theory is that the smoke monster is there to get rid of people who have found closure from their personal issues with life off the island. Not only does the island try to help you to sort out these issues, once you have sorted out those issues, the island through the smoke monster, tries to get rid of you.

That's why the Others have the smoke monster protection barrier they have either sorted out those issues or never had life off the island and that is why there can be no babies conceived and brought to life on the island. The others are playing a running game from the islands natural culling policy and to bring a life onto the island that has no issues cannot be done the island wont allow it.

It's not a fully qualified out theory but it's a start.

oh yeah great ep

some hints of the future, Ben sold Juliette down the river he knows of her betrayal or at least wants her back in his group. If there is a chance she is getting to close to the survivors then he has ruined it.

My theory is that the smoke monster is there to get rid of people who have found closure from their personal issues with life off the island. Not only does the island try to help you to sort out these issues, once you have sorted out those issues, the island through the smoke monster, tries to get rid of you.

That's why the Others have the smoke monster protection barrier they have either sorted out those issues or never had life off the island and that is why there can be no babies conceived and brought to life on the island. The others are playing a running game from the islands natural culling policy and to bring a life onto the island that has no issues cannot be done the island wont allow it.

It's not a fully thought out theory but it's a start.

bull: The lady in the camp is the flight attendant from flight 815 who was later taken by the Others

My whack theory....

Something is terribly wrong in the future. It may be disease or holocaust or something, but something is wrong. The military/scientists in the future found a place on earth where the laws of space and time don't necessarily work like everywhere else (the island). They decide the best way to prepare man for the future is to train them in the past.
People from the future travel back and either start it themselves or talk other scientists of the time into starting THE DHARMA INITIATIVE, and the island(because of its unique capabilties) will be the training ground to perform various experiments all in the hopes of keeping the species of man alive in the future.
Something goes terribly wrong, maybe the island is too unstable, and the experiment is abandoned. The corporation(s) behind the DHARMA INITIATIVE realize that the island must never be found, so they leave someone in THE HATCH to press a button every 108 minutes( the EMP stuff), thus keeping the island hidden.
Kelvin was a military guy, probably one in a long line over the years, who was recruited tho "save the world."
Now I think Jacob may be from the future, or from the first experiments on DHARMA island...and he may be dead. I really have no idea, since we have not seen him. But he is the one that is able to bring, "influence", things to get people to come to the island. HE is the one that is continuing the DHARMA INITIATIVE, long after it has been abandoned. And I think he is using the islands unstable "qualities", which allows him to move between different planes of existence. And he may not be the only one.
Even if this is NO WAY near what the actual reality is, I DO think that time travel is the most logical choice. Forget the purgatory theory. HOW DO YOU WRITE A BOOK OR FILE ON SOMEONE? If you are from the future, you already know EVERYTHING. You can orchestrate events much easier. You can influence others to do things. You know who you want.
TIME TRAVEL also might explain the ancient foot or the slave ship at Black Rock. All were accidentally brought into into this time by the islands unstable nature or the accident which may have occurred during the initial DHARMA INITIATIVE.
I still have no clue as to what is going on w/ Mikhail. I have some ideas, but I'll let you guys marinate on all this for awhile.

Huge, huge episode. I really like the fact that, even though all of the viewers know the ways in which the Losties connect to each other; it seems that none of the them know that. I was wondering when they were going to get around to showing the Losties how they connected. It wasn't any real surprise to me that Cooper was the long lost "real" Sawyer. He really wasn't that bright for a con man. How much brains does it take to realize you shouldn't insult a man's dead mother when you are chained up and he has already admitted to being on a revenge kick against you? Even if you do already think you're dead and in Hell, it still seem to be the smartest thing to do in that situation.

About purgatory, and all the other "They're already dead" theories: I had to explain this to my sister-in-law last night, she's only recently gotten hooked, so doesn't have as much back story.
1. Juliette was recruited specifically for her ground breaking research in fertility. I have heard that Satan recruits on earth; but specifically because your a certain kind of doctor?
2. Speaking of fertility; if your dead; who cares if you can or cannot get pregnant?
3. In the episodes of the flash backs of the "Others" camps when they saw the plane crash - Ben specifically says, "There may be survivors"
There are other reasons that don't support those death theories, but those are my main ones.

As for Naomi saying the plane had been found and there were no survivors...major cover-up. Easily pulled off. I mean, if the Others can have dossiers that detailed about everyone on the plane that quickly I'm talking government level cover up.

Also, I still think that Penny has known exactly where Desmond was this whole time. Maybe she couldn't get to him because of her father, but she knew. And when the hatch blew up, she decided daddy dearest or no to go get him - that's the reason she hired Naomi's company and gave them nearly exact co-ordinates to the island.

It would be way too soon for the secret between Jack and Juliette to be that Kate's pregnant.

I don't hold with the fact that Locke is an Other either, I think he's just on his own mission. From the beginning, he's tried to figure out the island, more than he even cared about survival; and now he sees his chance to learn even more. By the way, Locke has always been kind of munipulative. Remember season one and Charlie's heroin addiction? Sure, the manipulation was for Charlie's own good but...

So much to dicuss, and my fingers are getting tired.

Sawyer, he's such a mess. Wants to come of as a bad boy...doesn't quite manage it. I love him.

And that scene where Kate spills the beans to Jack and Juliette was way contrived. She knew going in how that was going to come out and it was a test. Whether it was for her own reasons or Sayid put her up to it, I don't know.

Best part of the episode? Naomi, "I'll remember not to save you, Sayid."

I don't know why some people think that Locke is an Other or wants to be one. It was blatantly obvious in the episode that he was on his own journey. Probably because he said "I'm going on my own journey.

Locke knows he has a connection with the island, but he doesn't know why, so he wants to learn. Being with Ben and the others is the best chance he has of finding out. They are the only ones who can give him answers so he will use them as much as he can. The fact, whether duped or not, that he gave Sawyer information that Juliet was a spy, shows that he cares more for the 815 survivors than Ben's crew.

Alpert is a tough call. Not enough is known about him. He may indeed be executing Ben's orders, but then again, he may truly believe that Ben has gone a bit power mad and may be veering off the Others mission statement (whatever the hell that may be).

Loved the scene with Locke and Rousseau. Similar to two mobsters dumping bodies in the same location saying to each other "You didn't see nuttin I didn't see nuttin". I wonder if she is using the dynamite to somehow get her daughter or if the scene was put there for comic relief.

From the beginning I felt that Jack was too smart to fall for Ben's tricks too easily. I think either he and Juliet had a plan hatched early on and that she is playing Ben or that Jack is taking the keep your friends close keep your enemies closer approach with her and will sting her before the planned raid.

GREAT EPISODE! They're really on a roll now.

I don't think Locke is the one whose will/desire/whatever brought Cooper there. I think Sawyer's need for revenge/closure brought him there!

Also, how could anyone not know that Kate would spill everything to Jack? Sayid's supposed to be the smart one! He looks like a chump for telling Kate. It was obvious that she'd go tattling to Jack.

I want to know more about Danielle and her plans...and I doubt Sayid was just digging a latrine.

Ben's become a real jerk with Locke now, huh? And Locke is trying to impress him like a little puppy dog, getting Cooper killed so he can join the Others. Locke has transferred his father complex onto Ben, maybe? The worse he gets treated, the more he wants to be accepted?

Rousseau and the dynamite was odd.

So was the plane full of corpses found 4 miles down. How many weeks had they been lost before it was found? 4? Can you imagine the amount of crabs, worms, and whatnot that would have been eating those corpses? Come on, no way to do a quick ID of all passengers that soon.

Is anyone familiar with the state of nature...Rousseau, Locke, Hume? Google it...

I still don't understand Juliet's comment about collecting samples. How does she collect samples - especially from Kate? She didn't collect any sample from Sun, she just did a sonogram. Is the sample a pregnancy test? Wouldn't she have to get Kate's pee for that? Or does sample mean a blood sample? How could she get away with that? Any ideas out there??