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Watercooler Talk: Should a show continue waterskiing after it jumps the shark?

by Jay Black, posted Apr 14th 2008 3:12PM
Yeah, yeah, I know it's a tired meme, but it's important for the discussion today!As I sit in a converted dorm room at a college in Castine, Maine, waiting for either the start of my stand-up show or the sweet embrace of death to break up the monotony of my day, I find myself with gobs of time to explore some of the less-traveled corners of Wikipedia. After reading a 500 word analysis of what state Benson may have taken place in (really!), I moved on to the entry for "Jump the Shark." Gary Marshall is quoted there as admitting that even he felt a little weird watching Fonzie, leather jacket and all, jumping over that now mythic shark. He points out, however, that Happy Days remained a top-twenty hit for seven more years and produced more than 100 more episodes after it aired.

It occurred to me that had the internet existed in the 1970s, the backlash to the jumping the shark episode would have been immediate and crushing....

Here's my logic for what would have happened:

1. Fonzie jumps the shark.

2. TV Squad 1975 writer Jay "Muttonchops" Black writes a scathing review of the episode. He's not alone -- every other episode review site chimes in with their own hatred of the show. Soon Digg 1975 takes a break from producing pop culture lists ("The Top 21 Forgotten Big Band Songs of our Youth") to produce a list of reasons why Happy Days is no longer relevant.

3. The Jumping the Shark meme is created and Happy Days loses its cool factor. People stop watching and it's canceled with little fanfare in the middle of the next season after eleven timeslot changes and an ill-conceived retooling that has Fonzie being replaced by an East Indian mystic played by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.

4. We are robbed over seven more years and 100 more episodes of Happy Days.

You can easily make the argument that we'd be better off with a show being canceled once its downward slide begins (and, indeed, I'd like for you to make that argument in the comments, if you're so disposed). But I think there's a counter argument that's equally valid: a good show will continue to produce enough good episodes to remain viable even after its downward slide begins.

This is the source of endless argument between Simpsons fans and Simpsons haters. The former group (among whom I count myself a member) comes into constant online conflict with the latter. Usually the argument goes as follows:

Simpsons Hater: (Responding to an episode review) Worst. Episode. Ever. God, I haven't watched this show since [insert arbitrary season the writer thinks was the last good one] and after watching tonight's episode I can see my choice was the right one! What a horrible episode!

Simpsons Fan: The show might not be as good as it was in the classic years, but it's still better than 99% of the shows on television!

Repeat until doomsday.

The crux of the argument seems to be this: the Simpsons hater wants to preserve his memories of the show when it was still young and beautiful. Like the athlete dying young or the Grecian urn, it is better to kill a show earlier than watch it descend into mediocrity (or worse).

The Simpsons fan is of the belief that, though a good show in its twilight years is a shadow of its former self, you shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water. Good episodes still spring up with regularity and, occasionally, the program can show signs of its earlier greatness. I mean, after all, the Dark Knight was a 55 year old man when he returned to rid Gotham of the Mutants -- sure he needed both his arms and his legs to climb ropes, but that didn't mean he wasn't capable of kicking some butt when the need arose.

I can see the reasoning behind killing a show early -- I mean, who would want to watch David Brent talking to a little green man only he could see on the 9th season of the UK Office -- but certainly any fan of that show wants to see more of it, right?

So, I thought I'd open the floor to you, the readers of TV Squad: where do you stand? Do you prefer a show dying early and preserving its greatness? Or are you okay with a show going on for too long, eventually showing its former greatness only in unpredictable fits over the course of its remaining seasons?

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metz

The more I watch BBCA the more I appreciate the British method of making serial television. Shoot a couple of seasons of 8-10 episodes per season. Decide up front how long you want the entire run to last and tailor the show toward just that number of episodes. Life on Mars, The Office, etc could have been stretched out over longer periods of time but would have eventually JTS and slid downhill.

Now, I'm not saying that all the British series work this way. They've certainly had serials that went on far too long but in general I when a series sets up a definitive time frame and works in it until it is complete. I like that I know the end of BG is coming. I like knowing that Lost will conclude. Even the great sitcoms like Cheers lost steam over time. Rare is the series creator that takes the reinvention risk mid stream and succeeds. Even injecting new characters into the worn premise is only a short term solution.

April 14 2008 at 8:13 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
nattyff

i really don't get the idea of some people to impose certain things to others, if you don't like a certain show anymore, just DON'T WATCH IT, you can still get a good memory of it until the time you stop watching, just let the other people that still love the show alone, if they keep loving the show, why they have to keep sufering through the others complains???.

There is such thing like middle ground, there is room to please everyone, if you don't like it anymore, just stop watching and keep the good memory of the show in your head. I know that many shows decline with time, but sometimes we love some series and characters so much, that we keep watching just because they are still arround and we will keep seen them until the network finally pull the plug... just let them be!!! :)

PS: i do like the idea of show with an expiration date, you know that if that happen you will get a pretty even run through out the entire series... but if you ask me... i would totally be in favor or more season of BSG... i will miss them so much!!! (seems that i suffer some abandon problems... LOL)

April 14 2008 at 6:21 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
mj green

The last season of That 70's Show did not happen. Jackie and Hyde got married, had twins, and are happy. Fez and Laurie remained married and are happy. I found a fan fiction that was great. It gave the fans a PROPER ending, and as far as I'm concerned, is the real ending.

April 14 2008 at 6:18 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Sancty

I get the argument... I recall the painful last season of That 70's Show, but I still watched it every week, because every now and then, a gem of what used to make that show fresh and relevant would show up... I'd rather watch it than the other totally crappy shows on television, and I think that's what its all about...

That being said, I did bail on The Drew Carey Show, so I guess I'm 6 of 1, half dozen of the other

April 14 2008 at 5:39 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
divineparasite

I understand the idea of ending a series while its still great. Yet I do think this "Jump the Shark" mentality has leaked into mainstream television, and not necessiarly for the best. Too many great shows end after only three or four seasons now. And it just seems to go by so quickly. The "Jump the Shark" mentality has infested mainstream television. And now the creators are so afraid of keeping a show on too long that we end up with only two or three seasons of a series. To me it seems too quick to pull the plug. This is how we end up with only two seasons of "Extras", or four seasons of "Battlestar Galactica". I think maintaining quality on a series has less to do with fear of overstaying one's welcome as it does with the creators of the series staying with the show. Why do the creators of great shows either walk away from thier series or are forced out by network suits. "Gilmore Girls" comes to mind as one of the latest series to lose its creators, which caused a noticable downfall to the series.

April 14 2008 at 4:41 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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Argus

I remember back in season 10 when everyone was like "nothing past season 5 is any good!" People just like to piss on what's new because they lose perspective. Like how old people always go "today's kids! They suck! Waaa!"

April 14 2008 at 4:39 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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Simon Wakefield

I don't know, in the UK we get alot of showings of the Simpsons, often from the earlier seasons and no matter how many times you see the earlier ones theres just more humor in them than the new seasons that magically appear on my computer :)

It can still have it moments where its as funny as ever but it seems to just have more flat points than ever before. At times i just feel they now go too 'zany' and I also feel the family dynamic has shifted and the charachters just don't gel the same.

Its still worth the 20mins to watch mind you but I would love it if they could find the heart of the show again

April 14 2008 at 5:08 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Oreo

What's this? No Smallville? I was sure Smallville would be in an article about shows "jumping the shark".

April 14 2008 at 4:12 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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Simon Wakefield

I actually think that on the whole Smallville has improved over the last couple of seasons. It had a few awful seasons, season 4 especially and its certainly had seasons that have screwed the continuity but they in recent seasons they have really been moving the story on and started tieing more and more of the comics and the dc universe into the show. It now seems less of a "show about a kid with superpowers" and more of a "Superman Origin story"

April 14 2008 at 4:57 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Oreo

Season 4 is when I ditched the show. I have watched a few episodes here and there but they got rid of almost everyone and Lana is still a bitch. Chloe however has really grown and isn't annoying and useless anymore.

April 14 2008 at 5:38 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
james

The Simpsons are the same as SNL, everyone hates on it but it's still good enough to warrant being picked up again. There are certainly worse shows that APE both's formulas Family Guy - Simpsons ; MADtv - SNL. Jumping the Shark is simply the point that the show became unforgivable. Most shows jump the shark and continue, but "that moment" is what kills the audience's love for the show.
My wife and I were just commenting on the loss of Greg the Bunny an extremely well cast show that was never given a chance. Granted it was not for everyone but it certainly could have lasted a couple of more seasons but it may have sucked then so maybe we are better off.
NewsRadio was never the same after Phil Hartman passed.
That 70's show (while never great) totally sucked after Foreman and Donna broke up.
King of the Hill has not jumped the shark though, it's one of the few infallible shows that have lasted a long time.

April 14 2008 at 4:05 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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Zach

I was recently thinking the same thing about greg the bunny, I got the dvd's on netflix and was laughing throughout, thinking it would be a perfect fit on adult swim. Gotta say I agree with your other comments as well. King of the Hill never really disappoints.

April 14 2008 at 4:34 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
upoh05

Any series that has been on for more than 5 years is bound to have peaks and valleys. Period. The problem becomes when you can't get past that Valley and the show just gets worse and worse.

As for the Simpsons, I personally feel that the series is creatively back at a peak (but not nearly as high as season 4-8) by trying different styles of episodes (the multi-story within a story, the 24 parody, the eternal sunshine one) and these episodes are pretty good and are helping the show evolve. And yes, it still has some off days, but it's still funny.

Keep in mind- I can't get Homer making out with a gyro spit out of my head...so,so WRONG, but yet so, so RIGHT. And this was from this year. And yes it fit the plot.

April 14 2008 at 4:02 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Cincinnati Mike

Jay, you called it. JTS is a "meme." It has burrowed into all of our minds, and the first time you don't like two episodes in a row of your favorite show, it's Jumped the Shark. I think the Observer Effect also applies. When we scrutinize our shows looking for the "JTS moment" then we are likely to find it!

April 14 2008 at 3:56 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply

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