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What if Heroes wasn't a serialized show?

by Bob Sassone, posted Nov 20th 2008 3:00PM
SylarEveryone seems to have an idea on how Heroes can be improved. I think it's still good, but ratings are down, fans are fleeing, and it's probably not a show new fans can get into. Now creator Tim Kring has an idea.

For next season, he'd like to see more self-contained episodes instead of a long continuing storyline over the entire season. He talked about what he intended to do with the show and what the future might hold at the Creative Screenwriting Expo last weekend. He wanted to give NBC a show like Lost or 24, one with a serialized storyline that would have fans coming back each week. Now he says he's not sure if that was the right decision, describing those shows as "an absolute bear to do." He thinks that the way that people watch TV nowadays is a lot different than just three years ago, because of DVRs and online viewing and all that, and that has changed how viewers watch serialized dramas since they don't watch them live every week.

I don't know if DVRs hurt serialized shows that directly (Kring also calls fans who watch the show live "saps"), but it might be interesting to see the show change to a more "standalone episode" format. That way they could focus on a couple of heroes per week and even have guest stars for the week. Or maybe it could be like The X-Files, where there was an ongoing story throughout the series but many standalone episodes too. Although, if you think about it, the show doesn't do a whole season of one storyline, it's usually split up. For example, the current "Villains" chapter will end soon and the second half of the season chapter "Fugitives" will begin.

What should Heroes do?
Keep it the same, just fix it a bit.248 (53.9%)
All standalone episodes please!25 (5.4%)
A mix of the two.187 (40.7%)

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Can I vote for 'cancel it because it's beyond redemption'? The writing is an insult to the audience and serious writers. The concepts that made the first season seem innovative are actually all ripped off from other things, mostly X-men and Lost. And Tim Kring obviously has no creativity at all, no plan, no artistic integrity, he just gives the fans whatever he thinks they want at the time and whines if they see through it. Cancel this, set an example to all the other hacks out there.

December 15 2008 at 12:41 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply

"People who watch the show on DVR are saps?"

I thought it was the complete opposite? Hey, let's watch the show at a time when it's convenient for the networks, and watch 20 minutes of adverts every hour!!

When he speaks I lose respect for him, which is a shame as I like the show. Oh well, at least I feel less guilty about watching the show on torrents I guess.

November 23 2008 at 10:35 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply

Kill of Mohinder, Claire and May be Peter and Bring back Adam Monroe.

November 21 2008 at 9:32 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply

They should shot this show like lost with each characters past history. The build for each season has been confusing. The main story should stay the same to save the world from villains of things.

November 21 2008 at 8:49 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply

Tim Kring should just stop talking to the press. Every time he opens his mouth, more idiocy pours forth. Let's face it, the guy has no clue, he's in over his head and with each passing week it becomes more apparent that the first few episodes of Heroes were like catching lightning in a bottle.

He got lucky, but eventually the cream rises to the top and the crap sinks to the bottom. Now he's just flinging spaghetti at the wall, hoping that something sticks.

November 21 2008 at 12:22 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply

Shorter story arcs (2 - 3 episodes), fewer characters, and limits on powers, like Peter can only use one power at a time or teleportation can't be done to unknown places. Oh, and maybe more interesting stories.

November 21 2008 at 9:30 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply

Cut down on the size of the seasons or story arcs. Take your cue from comic mini-series. IE 6-12 issues in length. If you can't get it across in that episode frame don't bother with it.

Maybe the firings need to go all the way to the top and get actual comic industry input into this series since it's a TV comic book. You know maybe some deal where Marvel, Time Warner(DC), and some indies have a say in how the development goes and have their writers come up with the over all arcs. Tie into books to be published via the companies, DC already does the hard cover/trade paperbacks of the online comics. So not too far fetched.

Better yet just can Kring and hire Straczynski since Heroes is basically a rip his Rising Stars series.

November 21 2008 at 12:51 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply

The problem is not the format. The problem is calling a new season Villains and making the Heroes dispicable so that no one wanted to watch after the second episode.

November 21 2008 at 12:21 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply

They lost us by the end of season 1 when it was clear they would not kill off characters. Or have villains.

November 20 2008 at 11:57 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply

Making episode a self-contained entity sounds like a terrible idea. It makes it sound like he wants to copy the worst feature of the Trek TV shows: the episodic reset switch.

If the episodes are self-contained (like Trek), then need to end up (more or less) in the same place in which they started. So, the more an episode tries to break the mold, the more jarring the reset to the status quo at the end.

If anything, this is the one aspect of Heroes that isn't broken. Seems like Kringe is grasping at straws now. Now that "Pushing Daisies" is cancelled, I hope Bryan Fuller can nip this ridiculousness in the bud.

November 20 2008 at 9:15 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply

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