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What You Missed Last Night: Glenn Beck debates Glenn Beck on healthcare

by Bob Sassone, posted Aug 14th 2009 2:25PM
The Daily Show is not a news organization, though I think we can all agree that it does some of the things that news organizations should be doing, such as going back into the video archives and seeing if there are contradictions in what a politician or TV news person says. Last night Jon Stewart talked about healthcare and how it affected Glenn Beck last year.

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Fyne Jr.

Elf:
Way to miss the point. You do have an argument (that I disagree with, but hey you do have one). However, that is not the topic of this conversation. The point is that Obama's head cheerleader claims that Beck contradicted himself and it's clear to anybody who does real research (outside of comedy central), that he didn't. You may disagree with Beck, but he didn't contradict himself. Only to Stewart and his fans, who usually don't pay attention because they tend to pretend to be more enlightened than even the source of information. There is nothing genius about digging up video archives of someone and cutting and pasting till they end up looking however you want them to look. Michael Moore and Robert Greenwald definitely taught us that.

August 15 2009 at 9:42 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Jim

Elf:

You spew out Obama talking points, half truths and bogus statistics like a broken lawn sprinkler, but let's look at a few high points. First of all you believe that the so-called "public option" is just some sort of benign government program that will compete and complement existing health insurance plans. The only reason the government can "compete" with any for Profit Company is because it has the unlimited power of taxation and doesn't have a requirement to make a profit. The government also has the power to set the rules, which a private company cannot. If you read the House bill HR3200 (which neither Congress nor Obama have done) there are a few passages that are inconvenient to your argument. How about Sec 312, P 145, Lines 15-17 - Employers must auto enroll employees into the public option plan. Sounds like a required public plan to me. Once the government makes the public option attractive enough employers will drop their current plans and dump their employees into the government plan. The insurance companies will then be left out in the cold, since according to Sec 223, P124, lines 24-25 No company can sue the government for price fixing.

You are also unintentionally funny when you say 'All of the people yelling and screaming nonsense without any consideration of fact or reality appear to have no consideration at all for the 45,000,000 uninsured people in the country right now." The 45 million figure has been bogus from the start but I will debunk it one more time. When you subtract illegal aliens (who are not uninsured AMERICANS), people making more than $75,000 per year who could afford to buy their own insurance but don't, people who would be covered by another government program but don't take advantage of it and people who are uninsured for less than 4 months but are nonetheless counted as "uninsured" you get about 10 million people who are chronically uninsured. Still not great, but it can be addressed without blowing up the current system. It also makes me wonder what else Obama is lying about if he won't set the record straight on this obvious lie.

August 14 2009 at 8:06 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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Lynda Kennedy

Just to point out that in big cities like NYC it is not unusual for housing to eat up more than 1/3 of a family's gross income. Take that off of $75000 then take off taxes, etc. Then take off $13000-$14000 per year spent on health ensurance to companies who could turn around and deny you coverage when you need it and you can see that folks living that close to the bone might choose to save the $ rather than turn it over to a for-profit company. Personally I would pay into a government system that gave me care when I needed it. The worst thing would be a mandate for insurance without a public option. Those who make 50,000-75000 per year would almost certainly not qualify for a subsidized plan and would be forced to give a huge amount of their income to an insurance company whose priority is not care but rather profit. And for those of us who are self employed that $ does not get taken out before taxes. So many people would benefit from true reform- hard working, blue collar folks with small and sole proprietor businesses. Give the government option some more thought.

August 18 2009 at 1:21 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
mike

I'm always amazed by how often The Daily Show manages to find clips/reports where the subject is caught lying/flip flopping. One wonders why the "real" news shows don't do the same.

August 14 2009 at 7:56 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Tony DIMeo

actually glenn beck when he was on cnn was in favor of reforming healthcare and now that he's on fox he against it, i have a theory as to why i believe that the fox news network is telling its on air personalities what to say and how to think that woulod explain beck calling obama racist last month

August 14 2009 at 6:23 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Joel

You are right to an extent, but the problem is if your employer chooses to switch over to the government option then it takes away your individual right to stay with the private option.

August 14 2009 at 6:18 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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Joel

Sorry, this was supposed to be a reply to Great Pyr above.

August 14 2009 at 6:39 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
ElementsUnknown

Jussup,
You are saying exactly what I was thinking. I don't want Kaiser to have the government undercut them. As a "disabled" person I don't even want to think about the coverage I would get from another provider if I switched now.

I agree with many above that the healthcare system in the U.S. needs an overhaul and that people without health care need it in some form, but I would like to do both of those things without harming the over 80% of America that is perfectly satisfied with their current coverage.

August 14 2009 at 7:48 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
ElementsUnknown

Our healthcare system can at the same time the best in the world and still need serious fixing, the two states are not mutually exclusive.

I have Multiple Sclerosis and am receiving tremendous care from Kaiser Permanente because my wife is a high school teacher. I don't want anyone to mess with that, even if it is indirectly by undercutting all the competition.

Do you think Kaiser would provide such great care for a small fee to public school teachers and their families in a market where they are simply undercut by a low-ball government plan?

The healthcare industry needs serious oversight and reform, not yet another bloated bureaucracy playing cost-benefit analysis games with the nation's disabled, unborn or elderly.

August 14 2009 at 5:55 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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The Midnight Penguin

And by healthcare industry, I hope you are including Dr's and Hospitals as part of this.

I read and hear so much on this topic, yet it's still the insurance companies that receive the brunt of blame. Did you know (via the Washington Post and NY Times among a few I've seen) that health INSURERS as a whole only profited just over 2%, while the pharmaceutical industry profited over 17%? Fraud is going to account for over a billion dollars of loss to the insurers.

It was a Dr in Michigan who was over billing Blue Cross Blue Shield hundreds of thousands of dollars, and had the woman not read her bills (like most do not) that Dr would have continued to defraud the company AND use up her coverage!

The health insurance industry, via AHIP, has clearly stated that they back universal coverage, whether government, employer or individually run, as long as there is a guarantee that ALL individuals must choose coverage (very much like the auto insurance in many states). The industry is trying to work with Congress, not against it. The Dr's and hospitals and pharmaceutical agents want to be able to charge whatever they would like and contributing more to slow progress down then the insurance industry that takes the blame.

Also, in regards to those people receiving "free" healthcare via the government, remember that you are paying for that. There is a reason that there are companies out there that provide alternatives/supplements to the standard policies (specifically Medicare); if there wasn't a need for this in the market, then these companies would not be in business. That says to me that Medicare/caid and even VA coverage does not suit the needs of everyone that has coverage. The insurance market does not even consider VA coverage good enough to be considered any prior coverage when it comes time to apply for individual policies in most states.

August 17 2009 at 8:18 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
bpai99

The GOP has this drill down cold: use apocalyptic rhetoric that rachets up the fear, bigotry and extremism among the uneducated and intolerant. Keep turning up the heat and act surprised if ever somebody finally heeds your calls for extreme action. Be sure to say you were only speaking figuratively and you are being unfairly blamed when violence occurs. Keep your celebrations behind closed doors.


August 14 2009 at 5:23 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Great Pyr

Why does everyone think that you will HAVE to have the government insurance? If you have private insurance and like it you can stay with it.

August 14 2009 at 5:06 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
cherries

Glenn Beck = Howard Beale.

August 14 2009 at 5:01 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Creep

I hope glenn beck falls down an elevator shaft.

August 14 2009 at 4:33 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
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Joel

Wow, that is appropriate.

August 14 2009 at 6:13 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply

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