Also, I think that any cultural elements that carried over are related to "genetic memory" rather than the fact that any physical evidence was left behind (regarding the Tauron/Italian comparison).

I'm pretty sure the proto-humans that our BSG friends found in the Finale were an evolutionary dead-end and that "we" are descended from Human-Cylon procreation. That's why it was implied that the remains that were found, mentioned in the news report at the end, were Hera's (I forgot what name was given to the remains).

At least, that's how I interpreted it.

I can't help but think that tamara and zoe are 2 of the 3 in a holy trinity of the cylons - zoe (son or in this case, daughter) tamara (holy spirit) and the 1 true God. And since both of them have experienced Human cruelty 1st hand (Zoe ripping off her own arm; Tamara shot at and used by gamers) it is only a matter of time until they realize that the time of corrupt and decadent humanity needs to come to an end.

For those who say the board scene was amazing, I have to ask....why? What was so amazing about that board scene. What was even the point? He brings in the cylon to show the board that holograms are the past, this is the future. But all the cylon does is walk around the table, look at everyone, then rip its arm off when asked. What did it do that the robots in Japan couldn't do right now? Wouldn't it have been more impressive if the cylon had said "No, I won't rip my arm off!"?

If they wanted to build an army of "slave" robots, why spend so much time and energy building artificial intelligence and artificial sentience? If they wanted to build an race of artificially sentient beings, why accept that it would rip its own arm off when asked, and why accept that demo at all, it never demonstrated sentience. It didn't interact, didn't show any thought. It actually didn't do anything nearly of what it was capable. The whole thing was just a giant contradiction.

And that is why I completely disagree with "It's certainly one of the most intelligent shows on the air." I can only enjoy the show when I turn my brain off and take it as entertainment. Otherwise I would just laugh at the ridiculous premise that the "intelligence" of the cylon was created by a coding a search engine's view of all of the events of Zoe's life, or the over-the-top attemps to make the events of the shows metaphors to our society.

Kate said...

"I suppose my point is that one shouldn't underestimate the human tendency to be willing to nail anything that sits still long enough... "

I would never criticize your taste in men, but ......ewww.

Anyway, according BSG canon, Hera picked a local fella. And perhaps, if cows and sheep can get nailed, I wouldn't rule the possibility of some lonely guy nailing a kind of furry monkey smelling babe.

For the record, and for possible future replies from other posters, I didn't say it wasn't possible. I just said the ick factor was pretty high.

A couple of notes:
First, I initially didn't like the whole matrix thing. I hope they tie this up to a struggle between Tamara and Zoe in the wake of Cylon creation. Tamara will be the queen of the V-world, Zoe is the original cylon, hopefully there will be a power struggle there.

Second, I thought Taurons didn't believe in afterlife, what was that passage ritual? And why does Bill have brown eyes?

Third, the "battlestar" and the "vipers" flying in New Cap City was amazing. Kudos on that.

And fourth, agree with The1337, board meeting was amazing, it was so ED-209 (Robocop)...

I'm beginning to think that too many people come here to drop a quick comment simply as an excuse to link to their blog or whatever, and I'm a bit tired of it.

The Tamara plotline introduced in this episode is by far the most interesting since the original pilot. At this point, you might expect the interaction (conflict?) between her and Zoe to be the define the future Cylon culture.

A big BSG fan, but was getting a little bored of this series but this gives it more hope.

Tamara Adama quickly became my favourite character in this episode - dealing with life, death, violence and smart outfit changes, she was brilliant!

I blog about this episode at http://themothchase.wordpress.com - check us out!

Ummmm, your points are contradictory... or invalid... or pointless.

You make two points. First, you split hairs about how humans got to or populated this planet. You correctly note that there were humans already living here.

You go on to say that Hera (whom we know to be our ancestor according to the mythos) and her offspring likely wouldn't have intermingled with the natives... Thus, modern humans would've all stemmed from the 12 colonies. AS THE AUTHOR SAID.

So, which is it? Or are you splitting hairs just to bitch?