There's lots of TV to discuss before the cable and broadcast networks begin their holiday-season hibernation periods, and Ryan McGee and I tried to get to as much of it as we could in this week's Talking TV with Ryan and Ryan podcasts.

First up, we devote more than 30 minutes to the 'Sons of Anarchy' Season 4 finale, which I also wrote about here. In the second podcast, we briefly discussed several projects debuting this week and then talked in more depth about 'Revenge' (expect more on that topic late Wednesday, which is when I'll publish an interview with creator Mike Kelley), 'State of Play' (a truly great 2003 British miniseries that BBC America is re-airing starting Wednesday; read more about it here), and 'Homeland,' a very good Showtime program that is heading into the home stretch of its first season.

Running times are below.

This week on the Talking TV podcast, Ryan McGee and I discuss AMC's new Western drama, 'Hell on Wheels,' we gab about this week's episode of 'Sons of Anarchy,' and we delve into some of the fall season's winners and losers.

Ryan and I each picked two winners and two losers: One of my winners was 'Revenge,' and one of my losers was fall's other woman-with-a-secret drama, the CW's 'Revenge.' Ryan chose ABC's Wednesday comedy block as a winner and 'Terra Nova' as a loser.

To find out what our other winner and loser choices were, grab the podcast and enjoy!